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The Greeks: Plato, Polytheism, Good & Evil, and The Allegory of the Cave

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"The unexamined life is not worth living. . . "
  
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161/24/2010 10:39 AM
Prior Knowledge
Hey Everyone,
 
I know that this is a COMPLETELY knew topic, but lets see what we know about the greeks, habits, life, and whatnot.
 
I know a lot, as i have read lots of mythology, but I'll start with this:
 
Hera; Zeus' wife and goddes of fertility, motherhood, and she was VERY jealous of the affairs that Zeus would have. Her wrath would most likely cause the women (although ignorant to the fact they had consorted with a god) to die, or the childeren's death or ugliness.  Lots of children slipped through the cracks...and she was affected later in life by them in minor ways, but the fact that she is so vengeful, and never can reprimand her husband for what he does, shocks me to no end.  She's almost like the person who stays with their abuser, because they might change/ or they are showng their love, they hold on until the bitter end.
 
Sleeping Thinker
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221/23/2010 3:39 PM
What Truly Matters? The Truth?
Does the Truth matter? Such a question I believe does not need to be argued. Of course I'm not going to go further with that; it's just an important thing to answer on your own; but you see, what truly matters? That is a question that should be discussed, perhaps such as Plato or Socrates would have discussed... a way that isn't an argument, but a one-sided fist fight.

What truly matters? Obviously, things such as gravity, oxygen, molecules, quarks, light, heat, etc., so please, don't mention them.... What truly matters? Literature? Because that would be an art, which means it's only a thing of entertainment/a distraction. However, what if one were to discover the most important thing of all? Let's say... the meaning of life. Everyone wants to know why they're here, unless their a robot (i.e. child, en soi, fool, etc.). And this person goes to the market, a place filled with people ignorant of why they're here (i.e. "us" and "them") and he (universal pronoun for "this person") shouts at them very dramatically and he tells them this previous secret and his explanation is so plain, everyone looks at him and immediately decide he's an idiot/mad man. He keeps trying and trying, everyday, until one day a policeman comes up to him (who's by now quit caring about appearances) and takes him away and he eventually gets placed into some asylum somewhere far away from the people who tell stories of the madman from their very own town. Eventually he dies in that asylum with only the truly insane and wrongly accused believing his Truth. Those people were so habitual that they refused to acknowledge the Truth they knew deep down in their heart the instant they heard it.

Is it safe to say that Literature (real Literature has so much more than plot, after all. Those others are just stories... no... words on paper.) is needed, perhaps even required to get points across? Of course. For I just did with that little allegory you've just read.

This would seem much less snotty if we were discussing this in class face-to-face. Which means that facial expressions in communicating are required for healthy discussion. Which makes that statement concerning the snottiness of this post True.

Getting back to "What Truly matter?" Literature does, to reiterate, else points would never get across to robots (i.e. children, the en soi, etc.). But what else matters, I wonder? I, as we all are, ignorant of many POVs, and when we discuss this I'm sure we can get some type of life lesson to pass on to the next generation, who'll then use it before they ever do need to. We're nearly late for this class. Let's all cram before the bell rings!
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1411/23/2009 3:31 PM
On Morals...
I had an idea earlier after someone mentioned about morals, I feel like with something like promiscuity, someone would question not to do it, not because its morally wrong but because its illogical to be promiscuous? Would this go along the lines of what we're talking about? I get the whole spirit-idea world concept. not so much the weird teacher-student thing but whatever
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811/15/2009 12:15 PM
Question: Plato and Socrates
So from what I understand, Plato is an apprentice of Socrates. I got that much. But what I do not know for sure is whether or not there is any real documentation of what Socrates beleived. Everything Socrates believed and preached was written down and documented by Plato and his other apprentices. Is this right? If so, how do we know this is exactly what Socrates believed in? Couldn't his students have mixed words? I understand that he is a philosophor, but is what his students documented 'his' truth or philosophy of what he believes?
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1211/8/2009 10:01 AM
"Allegory of the Cave"
I read the "Allegory of the Cave".
I dont know if I am getting this piece of writing right...
Here is what I think. You can comment and talk about this as you wish. I would like to know if I am on track or off track with this reading. I might be posting more on this in a little bit, about a different part of it.
 
Within the reading of the first paragraph it looks like this is a metaphor. Where it says, "See human beings as though they were in an underground cave-like dwelling with its enterance, a long one..." From this I took out that humans live life... "They are in it from the childhood with their legs and necks in bonds so that they are fixed, seeing only in front of them, unable because of the bonds to turn their heads all the way around." They only live life because they have been born(the bonds) and can't turn around fully because the past is the past and you can't go back in time. And then we are puppets being controlled??? Is that part right? Thats for the first paragraph.
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Looking for the Truth with your own reasonUse SHIFT+ENTER to open the menu (new window).
410/20/2009 6:17 PM
Looking for the Truth with your own reason
I tried to see if this could fit in any discussions that were already there, but I feel like this was too off topic from them and therefore needed it's own.

In class we've been talking about the way you're supposed to reason out the truth yourself. And I came across some things that related in a textbook for my other class.

It's talking about the protestant reformation in Europe. This was right after the Renaissance era, during which the works of Socrates, Plato, etc. had all been brought out and studied.

In the text book is a quote from Sebastian Castellio "To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, but to kill a man." This got me thinking about our class.

And then it says "...Valentine Weigel...advised people to look within themselves for religious truth and no longer to churches and creeds." This I felt, directly related to what we are learning regarding Socrates.

We had been talking about the ways that this influenced religion, and did it or did it not promote monotheism. It is also interesting to see how it influenced religion once it was firmly established.

These people (the protestants) wanted to interpret the truth through their own reason, rather than simply listen to what the Catholic Church said.
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310/11/2009 10:34 AM
The Greeks and Histories
If you've never read one, your missing out. The Greeks were very fond of chronicling history and then writing their own book on it. What I think is great about this is that they give you a great sense of what cultural influences existed at the time, and how different groups of people perceived each other. For example, in Herodotus's The Histories, in the first 20 pages you can already see that women had a low place in society. Herodotus talks about the abduction of women as the cause for starting a war between two ancient Greek states, but he says something that basically questions why they should have cared about abducting women, because really its no big deal. Herodotus's words, not mine. I would quote him directly but my copy of the book is in a box some where and I'm not quite sure how to get to it. In any case, I think I've made my point that it's a good idea to read the Greek Histories (and Mr. Sheckels assures me that there are better ones than Herodotus's) in order to gain a better understanding of how the Greeks lived and what they thought on morality.