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| | 8 | 1/24/2010 11:26 AM | Satan's Substituted reality Okay, yesterday in class we talked about how Satan lost to God and how he's sort of handling his predicament.
Often times on TV you see unorthodox christian preachers going on about "claiming your inheritance" and not to claim anything bad in your life because then it's true.
In a way isn't that what Satan's doing? He also claims that God is wrong and convinces Eve of the same. Any thoughts? |
| | 13 | 1/23/2010 11:26 PM | is it worth it?? Is your free intelect worth defying God?? psh, heck yeah. I would much rather have my own thoughts and make my own choices and fair share of mistakes throughout life and die living a full life, then going my whole existence being some En Soi robot controlled by God. Sorry if i offend any really religious people, but this is just how i feel. like the qoute from Milton says
"Better to reign in Hell, than to serve in Heaven." or at least its something close to that.
I love this quote, and i completely agree with it. i am willing to burn forever in order to be myself while im alive. because serving somebody else my WHOLE life, and not being able to think for myself is torture. i mean why even be alive if you're not you and just some mindless trailing puppy dog robot?? if you decide to say no to God, then what do you say yes to?? well i guess me saying i won't be Gods robot, is saying no to him. So, to this i say you don't say yes to anything. You simply agree to burn forever, in order to be yourself and say what you want to say, and believe what you want. so it goes. |
| | 9 | 1/23/2010 11:02 PM | Will someone care to explain this to me? "As my Eternal purpose hath decreed: Man shall not quite be lost, but sav'd who will, yet not of will in him, but grace in me..." (172-174)
From this, I'm understanding that Milton is saying God wants us to accept him not because we should, but because we want to. In other words, don't pretend like it so you can think your going to Heaven, and instead show your faith because you truely believe. |
| | 16 | 1/16/2010 12:18 PM | Satans paradise I know we have touched on this subject many times, is satan happy with what he has? It seems hell is a dream come true for him. He gets to be ruler, he gets people to fallow him, and hes seperated from God.We discussed that in reality he knows the Truth wich is God so hes not happy because he is seperated from him? Confusion! |
| | 23 | 1/15/2010 8:06 PM | PLEASE READ!! Here is a question i have been struggling with for some time. I have thought and thought about it and I need some help so i can be at peace with this. Sin = Seperation from God.. so it's said. Sin seperates us from God, because he won't take it. so here's this thought, and please really think about this before you answer. ----> We all Sin. Sin is inevidable. God won't take sin, which causes us to be seperated. So since we all sin, aren't we all seperated from God?? just please someone help me figure this out, because it is bugging me to no end. Thanks to all who help :). |
| | 16 | 1/15/2010 7:46 PM | Eden to Heaven. God wants us to have free will right?? This is the reason he planted the tree in Eden, making sin inevidable, causing Eve to get punished. But if God created free will, because he wanted us to have the choice, and he KNEW we would sin, then why does he punish those who sin?? I mean, he created sin and his knowledge made it clear we would choose to sin over the action of doing good. yet still his word says those who sin will be punished. This just confuses me, because if he doesn't like sin, then why did he create free will knowing we would sin?? any help here?? |
| | 7 | 12/19/2009 11:56 PM | Gods creatures. This past week in class, we talked about how satan argues that if you go through mortality on earth, then you are Gods creature, and you should go directly to Heaven. --> Everyone should go to heaven. This is his argument, and it is NOT reasonable, whatsoever. I mean sure we have our share of those people who believe everyone and everything was created by God and that they will ultimately go to Heaven when they die. But we also have our share of people who do not even believe in God. I mean, surely those hard core christians, have their share of people who believe they have sined so badly, that they will be denied at the gates of Heaven. Then we have those who do not believe and do not even want to go to Heaven. Not everyone should get a free ride to Heaven. The believers who earn it can surely go, but those who don't believe and don't want to go, let them go to Hell or wherever they want or believe they are going to go. |
| | 19 | 12/15/2009 5:44 PM | Did God know Lucifer would rebel? Lucifer, or Satan, rebelled against God for he believed that everyone should go to Heaven just for having to live on Earth and know they are mortal and will die. Lucifer also thought that when God gave free will and Choice to the humans, that because everyone has to deal with the evil and bad choices and live with the gift from God, they should automatically go to Heaven. He thought God was wrong basically and kicked out of Heaven.
So god proved he was All Powerful by kicking Lucifer out of Heaven. Now if god is All Knowing, then did he know Lucifer would rebel and become Satan? |
| | 7 | 12/13/2009 3:56 PM | Satan and Hell So there wasnt a "hell" until Satan and the rebellion angels made war with God and fell from heaven. Then Satan became the "lord" of the underworld and all its inhabitants, which would be humans who couldnt make it into heaven.
So wouldnt that make Satan the reason people go to hell. He argued that all humans should be accepted into heaven, but until Hell was created, where else would they have gone? So wouldnt it have been Satans rebellion that created a place for sinners to go, and then he was the one who caused "original sin". My point is, Satan wanted all humans to end up in heaven and then was the main cause of them ending up in hell. So wouldnt all of his actions benifit Gods master plan? |
| | 8 | 12/13/2009 3:09 PM | random thoughts or questions... so I was thinking about god vs. satan and I came across an interesting question.
We know that God offers his followers/believers his grace, love and eternal life. Not a bad offer I'd say. All he ask in return is to accept him in your life as your savior and try not to sin, but if you do , just make sure you get his forgivness. Sounds a little too easy now.
But I was wondering, what does Satan offer to his followers? Does Satan even wish to have people following him or does he just want to bring down God and God's children? The same with humans, why would they choose Satan over this awesome deal with God? Perhaps just to be rebellious against God as well. I'm sure the bible or someone or something explains this but, I'll let other people explain it. |
| | 6 | 12/13/2009 2:57 PM | Milton's Desperate Grasping... So it seems to me as I read Paradise Lost that Milton is trying to reach for something that is beyond practical concept, and this trips up his arguements. Like that Jewish German composer Mr CHisnell showed us during class, he's trying to portray something that is just too big to portray. "No matter how big the sound is, it will never be loud enough." To me, at times he seems as though he's just pulling stuff out of his wastebasket and throwing stuff into Paradise Lost to make this impossible image come together. Such as his arguement for not being able to blame God for anything bad in book 3, lines 114-120. God says that because humans have free will, than you can't blame God for the evil that you chose to act upon. But wouldn't this mean that you can't title anything good as being God's fault also. Well, no, because God goes on to say "if I foreknew, Foreknowledge had no influence on their fault, Which had no less prov'd certain unforeknown." Milton proves an inconsitant theory by simply saying because God said so.
Maybe a bit confusing, but here's the simplier version. Does Milton seem to be desperate in his arguement to anyone else? And this is nothing against Milton, because I truly love his style and description, but maybe he's just reaching for something that cannot be reached. |
| | 8 | 12/13/2009 12:02 AM | The mind. "The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a Heav'n of Hell and a Hell of Heav'n"
--> What i believe this is saying, is that your mind, like everything else you own, is yours. Its yours, and you can choose what it believes and what it does not. The choice is YOURS. i think this quote is saying the mind can go two ways. You can belive in God and fear hell. OR as this quote proves you can Choose to make Hell the place you worship and wish to go, and make it be your ultimate reward in the end, and you can choose to despise Heaven and God and be against all that goes along with that. Anybody think any differently about this?? I would love to hear some thoughts.. well read them anyways :). |
| | 4 | 12/8/2009 6:58 PM | Mr. Chisnell's Milton Chart Version 2.0
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